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| − | I need a reliable backup solution for my linux server.
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| − | Here are methods I have explored, unsuccessfully so
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| − | far. Let me first mention that our office also has a
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| − | new Windows Server running our billing package. My
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| − | initial thoughts were to copy my linux data to the
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| − | Windows server, and then let their backup process save
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| − | my data.
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| − | 1. Install Services for Linux (SFU) put out by Windows
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| − | onto our Windows server. I then created a NFS share.
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| − | I can view the directory contents of the Windows share
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| − | from my linux box, but for the life of me I can't get
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| − | write permission. You have to run a Windows
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| − | namemapper to map linux users to Windows users, and
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| − | then give that user write permission. Sounds easy. I
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| − | can't get it to work. The permission system on NTFS
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| − | is a bit complex to me.
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| − | 2. Run a Samba server on my linux box. When I do
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| − | this, I can see the drive from a Windows laptop, and I
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| − | might even be able to write to it (I can't remember).
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| − | But when I try to find the file when browsing from the
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| − | Windows Server, I can't find it. Not sure if I have
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| − | to join Windows "domain" to work. This descends into
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| − | a murky realm for me of ActiveDirectories. Also, I'm
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| − | not sure if my iptables is filtering out the samba
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| − | ports etc.
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| − | 3. Run a Samba client on my linux box. I haven't
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| − | tried this, but again I worry that I would have to
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| − | discover how to join the Windows "domain" and be
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| − | validated.
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| − | 4. Get scp to work on my Windows server, and scp the
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| − | needed data up. This would probably work, but I would
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| − | need to use and 'expect' script to supply the password
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| − | etc if it is going to be automated. This seems a bit
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| − | klunky, and will probably be my last resort.
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| − | 5. Install a DVD writer on my linux box. This is what
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| − | I am currently trying to do. I successfully installed
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| − | a new USB 2.0 IO card, and have now plugged the drive
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| − | in. I'm lost as to what to do now. I have read
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| − | multiple web sites, and I'm overwhelmed. Right off
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| − | the bat the install demos talk about possible kernel
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| − | upgrades etc. It seems that cdrtools is one route to
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| − | use. I would have to purchase a commercial license.
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| − | The money is not such an issue, but I would want to be
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| − | sure it was going to work.
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| − | 6. Purchase and install tape backup system for the
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| − | linux box. This may well be a great options, but I
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| − | have no experience with this.
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| − | If anyone has any helpful thoughts or pointers (esp
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| − | regarding option 5 above), I would be very grateful.
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| − | Kevin
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| − | Samba is not my expertise, so I won't presume to give you debugging
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| − | advice. I will say that I have been able to get Samba and Windows
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| − | working quite well together to share files and printers on multiple
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| − | occasions. When I have had problems using Linux as a server, it is
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| − | usually because on the Linux side, I have not created the users with
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| − | smbpasswd program (just because they exist in /etc/passwd doesn't mean
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| − | that they exist for Samba - although I think there is now an option to
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| − | propagate changes back and forth). You can also webmin and swat to
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| − | manage Samba via a browser.
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| − | Since Windows file attributes are not the same as Linux, I only
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| − | recommend using Windows to backup your Linux files by first creating a
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| − | tar archive on Linux and moving the tar archive to Linux. By the way,
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| − | to move a single file from Linux to Windows, you don't need Samba, just
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| − | use WinSCP3 on Windows.
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| − | Getting a USB DVD burner to work on any contemporary Linux should be
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| − | trivial. When I got it working, I just powered down the PC, plugged in
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| − | the DVD-ROM drive (a Sony drive that Chris Richardson put inside a box
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| − | that provided power and interface electronics), powered up the DVD and
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| − | powered up the PC. K3b (my burning software) recognized the DVD
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| − | immediately. That PC runs the Debian Sarge installed via a Knoppix 3.6
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| − | Linux live CD. What Linux distribution and release are you running and
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| − | what kernel? If you connect a USB flash drive to the PC, is it
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| − | recognized? [In theory, you need not power it down, but just to
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| − | simplify debugging, I like to start from a cold power up.]
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| − | I recommend creating a tar archive for backup. Remember to backup your
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| − | journal files too.
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| − | -- Bhaskar
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| − | </pre>
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| − | <pre>
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| − | >use. I would have to purchase a commercial license.
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| − | >The money is not such an issue, but I would want to be
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| − | >sure it was going to work.
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| − | As Bhaskar mentioned k3b is an excellent solution for burning CD and
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| − | DVD's.
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| − | On this 64 bit Debian/Sarge laptop I did
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| − | # apt-get install k3b dvd+rw-tools cdrdao
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| − | You have the option of creating a seperate group (cdrom I think) for
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| − | burning - or you can assign the permissions to the various tools during
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| − | the setup when you first call the application.
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| − | I am not aware of any need for a commercial license for any of the
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| − | above. I would also expect the USB device to be well supported with
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| − | most of the recent stock kernels. Just as an aside, with 2.6.x you
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| − | don't need to use SCSI emulation for IDE CDROM drives, which is nice.
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| − | >6. Purchase and install tape backup system for the
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| − | >linux box. This may well be a great options, but I
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| − | >have no experience with this.
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| − | My first experience with tape backup with GNU/Debian was with an old
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| − | Colorado floppy based mini-tape backup system with the ftape drivers -
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| − | it was slow, but worked perfectly (restore and backup).
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| − | If you add a SCSI tape backup you will have a huge array of software
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| − | solutions - from something as simple as 'tos' (tape oriented
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| − | backups-perl driven) to enterprise tools like Amanda. I have used
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| − | various HP SCSI backup systems in the past and don't recall any
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| − | problems.
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| − | And as mentioned, if you have questions about Samba and Windows John
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| − | Terpstra's series of books and essays are excellent. BTW, he is a first
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| − | rate speaker if you ever have the chance of attending one of his
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| − | lectures or seminars, you will really get a huge boost up with regards
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| − | to networking in heterogenous environments.
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| − | I hope this is of some help. --Ismet
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| − | </pre>
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| − | Whoa, quite a bit here...
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| − | 1. Windows bites, do it our way or the highway.
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| − | 2. Samba - Get yourself the book by John Terpstra - Samba 3 By Example
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| − | Practical Exercises to Successful Deployment.
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| − | and/or
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| − | Download my smb.conf tutorial file and have a go at joining that
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| − | domain....
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| − | http://oswizards.com/samba-instruct.conf | |
| − | If you would like I can give you access to one of my Linux Admin
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| − | courses online. You can study the Samba material to see if it clarifies things
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| − | a little. Samba is a huge subject, especially if you are going to deploy
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| − | with 500+ uses. I highly recommend the book.
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| − | I don't think that will solve your problems though, you need to backup
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| − | the Linux server.
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| − | 3. See number 2 above.
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| − | 4. You can share your private key/identity with the client and you
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| − | will not have to supply a password when you execute your command. You could do
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| − | this with linux boxes easy, windows would be a hassle. In Linux I could
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| − | issue the command, scp -r /var/data/* jerome@someotherhost.org:mydata/
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| − | 5. Oh yeah... you could install a DVD writer, CDR or an additional HDD
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| − | or both.
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| − | Here are a couple tools for you. Mondo Resuce
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| − | http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/about/about.html
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| − | I use another command line program from a cron job called rdiff-backup
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| − | http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/ It can take a snapshot of your
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| − | filesystem whenever you tell it to, it also keeps diffs on all files
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| − | that have been changed since the last backup. You can actually restore a
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| − | file from a specific date and time. I snapshot at 3:10am onto a spare drive
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| − | in the machine, I also snapshot my databases every hour. You can use
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| − | Mondo to
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| − | create an entire system backup onto CD, HDD, NFS or DVD -
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| − | http://www.ccp14.ac.uk/ccp14admin/linux-server/mondorescue/dvd_mondo.html
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| − | Keep yourself clear of Windows and your choices will be plentiful and
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| − | your difficulty will be diminished.
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| − | Setup another Linux Samba Server for the Windows clients/users to store
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| − | their data on, then back that one up with the tools above.
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| − | Have Fun!!!... and test your backups regularly to make sure you are
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| − | indeed backing up your data.
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| − | --Mark Street
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| − | </pre>
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| − | I just recalled another tool/method that you might want to look at -
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| − | namely rsync
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| − | Here is a nice summary of one method employing it with automated
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| − | http://www.tux.org/~tbr/rsync/rsynchowto.html
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| − | Rsync is a fantastic tool - especially when combined with ssh.
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| − | Ismet / Ismet B. Kursunoglu, MD, FCCP
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| − | </pre>
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| − | > 1. Install Services for Linux (SFU) put out by Windows
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| − | > onto our Windows server.
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| − | <...snipped...>
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| − | Linux + NTFS is experimental at best still. Do not know much about the
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| − | SFU deal from M$, but would not put too much trust in it for my obvious
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| − | prejudices. ;-)
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| − | > 2. Run a Samba server on my linux box.
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| − | Samba on the Linux box will allow the M$ boxes to see and mount it as a
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| − | share potentially. Possible idea, not the greatest though.
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| − | > 3. Run a Samba client on my linux box.
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| − | <...snipped...>
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| − | If you are using RH (or one of the Fedora or CentOS forks), there are
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| − | some built in RH specific tools for Samba (redhat-config-samba for RH).
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| − | Not too hard using them. Otherwise, there are a few HOW-To's on the
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| − | Samba subject.
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| − | > 4. Get scp to work on my Windows server, and scp the
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| − | > needed data up.
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| − | <...snipped...>
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| − | This is actually one of the easier solutions you have presented so far
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| − | that could run unattended potentially.
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| − | scp is part of the SSH package typically (along with sftp). This would
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| − | be one of your easiest solutions. Tarball (with gz or bz2 compression
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| − | depending on the amount of data you wish to back up), scp the tarball
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| − | to remote backup location directory. You can make a simple script and
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| − | cron job to do this on a regular basis.
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| − | > 5. Install a DVD writer on my linux box.
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| − | There is k3b which also noted by Bhaskar is freeware. Nice tool
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| − | overall once you get the DVD up and running, can handle CD and DVD burning.
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| − | At issue, you will be starting a large DVD collection potentially in
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| − | time.
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| − | > 6. Purchase and install tape backup system for the
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| − | > linux box. This may well be a great options, but I
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| − | > have no experience with this.
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| − | Old school, but possible via Amanda,
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| − | And finally...another Linux based solution presented is Bacula. I
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| − | personally have not played with it (yet), but one of my guys is using
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| − | it
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| − | for one of our clients on a regular basis. This is a better or more
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| − | modern idea than Amanda, allows for secure file transfer to a remote
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| − | machine, and such. http://www.bacula.org/ for their web site, and
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| − | yes...it is cross platformed as well.
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| − | --- Crawford, The Linux ETC Company
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| − | <pre>
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| − | Here is something else you may want to consider: Unison - a file sync
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| − | http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/
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| − | --Jim Drash
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| − | For clarity, Unison, rsync, or any technique that copies files or parts
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| − | of files when the database is in use will not work very well, and the
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| − | copy will be corrupt. This is because GT.M is constantly updating the
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| − | database when it is in use (unless you freeze updates).
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| − | Let's separate the two issues under consideration. One is to get a
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| − | copy of the database and journal files (backup), and the other is moving
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| − | backups to offline storage (archival).
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| − | Backup when there is no active GT.M process is trivial - just copy the
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| − | database files (unison, rsync and other techniques will work). There
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| − | are (at least) two ways to backup when GT.M processes are active. One
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| − | is to use mupip backup and the other involves using a mirrored disk.
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| − | (Promotional moment: attend my workshop in the Boston area on April 6
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| − | for hands-on training on backup - it's free but you have to RSVP!)
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| − | There are many options for archival, as discussed in this thread.
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| − | -- Bhaskar
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| − | >Thanks for your suggestions below. The one issue
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| − | > about scp'ing the data, though, is that I would have
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| − | > to have an "scp server" running on the windows box. I
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| − | > don't know how to set that up. I have downloaded a
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| − | > program for windows, pscp that can pull the data from
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| − | > the linux box when run on the windows box. It would
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| − | > be nice to be able to push it though.
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| − | > --Kevin
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| − | Cygwin will give you the sshd part-
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| − | http://pigtail.net/LRP/printsrv/cygwin-sshd.html
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| − | and this might be a good solution to limit access to scp for your
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| − | http://www.devguy.com/fp/scp/
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| − | --Ismet
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| − | </pre>
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| − | > My impression is that K3B is very smart, much smarter than I am,
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| − | thank goodness! But, you generally need to start K3b as root if you want
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| − | to consistently have joy in Mudville!
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| − | > -- Nancy Anthracite
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| − | So true, it takes some tweaking to get permissions just right for a
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| − | mere mortal user to record CD's. Let us not forget that the GUI tools are
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| − | merely front ends for the command line tools from cd/DVD record tools.
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| − | http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/
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| − | http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/cdrecord.html
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| − | A system administrator has much more flexibility with command line
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| − | > On Tuesday 22 March 2005 09:13 am, Bhaskar, KS wrote:
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| − | > Most likely, a DVD connected via a USB port will show up as a SCSI
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| − | > device, with a name like /dev/sda or /dev/sdb. However, to burn a
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| − | > CD/DVD, you don't mount it (there is no file system to mount on a
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| − | > --Bhaskar
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| − | It depends on the linux distribution but most newer distributions
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| − | recognize USB CD drives as SCSI devices, they are labeled as /dev/scd0
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| − | I worked with a Latitude laptop this weekend and installed Debian Sarge
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| − | and Fedora Core 3, both distros recognized the attached USB CD/RW as
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| − | /dev/scd0.
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| − | Your USB mass storage devices, jump drives, cameras, etc. will show up
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| − | as /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, etc.
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| − | > Generally, if you power up the USB drive first, then boot the PC,
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| − | k3b
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| − | > will find and recognize the drive. Also, as root, you can execute
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| − | > "cdrecord --scanbus" to find the "SCSI" drive number for your CD
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| − | drive.
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| − | Most newer Linux distributions automatically recognize USB devices and
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| − | make them available on boot. Again, it depends on your Linux distro as to
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| − | how much work will be involved.
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| − | > Mark and/or Crawford may want to correct me here, or expand on the
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| − | > explanation, because my understanding of how USB is mapped to SCSI,
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| − | > how CD/DVD-ROM drives are handled on Linunx is shallow.
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| − | There is some difference how CD/DVD devices are handled in the version
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| − | 2.4 Linux kernel and 2.6 version, especially USB devices. 2.4 kernel has a
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| − | SCSI emulation layer that was rather clunky, ide_scsi which allowed IDE
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| − | devices to emulate SCSI devices, Linus didn't consider the interface elegant so it
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| − | was reworked in 2.6. There are some hard feelings on both sides between
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| − | Linux and the author of cdrecord. Too technical for my ears.
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| − | -- Mark Street, RHCE
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| − | <pre>
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| − | Tape Backup *may* be considered old school,
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| − | but there's a reason why it's still popular.
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| − | I recommend to my clients that they spend the
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| − | extra dollars up front on a real server, because
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| − | then the majors will install a SCSI card and
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| − | a DAT tape drive for doing backups.
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| − | SCSI, because every DAT drive is going to plug into
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| − | it, and there are ZERO emulation issue.
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| − | DAT rather than Travan, because of the media costs.
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| − | A DAT tape is 5 bucks, a Travan is 50. With DAT tapes,
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| − | you can have NERDVANA:
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| − | Two full weeks of backups ( Mon1 - Thu1 & Mon2 - Thu2 )
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| − | A MONTH of Friday backups ( FriA - FriD )
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| − | and a perpetual archive of month ends
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| − | by just pulling the tape on the first,
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| − | and replacing it with a blank...
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| − | The Auditors will LOVE you for that...
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| − | And even though I'm an open source advocate,
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| − | I recommend a commercial product for doing
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| − | the automated nightly backups. When a
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| − | harddrive dies, *I* don't want to be trying
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| − | to figure out the easiest way to do a full
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| − | metal restore onto a differently sized harddisk.
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| − | 24 hour support on you backup/restore product
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| − | Mike
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| − | mikelieman@gmail.com
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